Hi guys
Two things I wish to cover.
First; To the idiot(s) who are posting inappropriate sexual material on my blog, please grow up. This blogs intent is to be an outlet for issues surrounding veganism - if you have nothing remotely intelligent to say, it is best not to for the sake of your dignity. I also will not delete the comments, I think they should stay there to be seen.
Second; There is so much talk going on about the right approach to educating about veganism...and I think there is a lot of confusion for people like me. I cannot even begin to imagine how perplexed a new vegan, vegetarian or a meat eater might feel when confronted with all of this!
The debate between welfarists and abolitionists is ever growing (and theres even debates amongst the abolitionist community! mind boggling!).
So, what does a vegan who wants to do the right thing - for the animals and themselves do? Theres SO much speculation, SO much talk, SO many fingers pointed everywhere...what's the right decision? Is there a right decision? (Obviously there isn't a RIGHT decision as everybody has a different version of the ultimate truth - but i speak from my point of view and what I see as right for me).
I have been reading this thread.
I am a young vegan. I am not an academic like some of the individuals involved in the aforementioned thread. I am just an everyday young adult who likes to question. I am vegan not for environmental or health reasons, but purely for moral. I wish to do the best I can, and promote veganism in the best light possible, without being superior, without blocking others out, without being close minded and without violence.
I consider myself an abolitionist vegan. I do not agree with the idea of welfarism because i do not think we should be encouraging 'improved' exploitation of non humans. I do not think they should go hand in hand, either.
Based on the thread I read, I have noted some key comments;
1) Let us remember, we all have the same goal. We want animals to attain the basic right to live. Dan has captured very eloquently the following; "The abolitionist critique of welfarism (new or traditional) is NOT that vegan new welfarists aren’t doing any vegan education (and therefore doing everything wrong). The abolitionist critique is that welfarism – focusing on improving treatment – does *nothing* to shift the paradigm of animals as commodities (in fact, it reinforces that paradigm) nor does it get people to go vegan. The “animal movement” pours hundreds of millions of dollars into fighting industry at its strong points (welfare laws and regulations) that could be directed to polite, creative, non-violent vegan education. Abolitionists want vegans, who make up an extremely small percentage of the population, to focus all our resources on creating more vegans, which is the only realistic long-term way to obtain real protection for nonhumans. Welfarism will never go away as long as there are people who consume animal products, and abolitionists completely realize that. We are trying to get more vegans to focus their time, efforts, and money on polite, creative, nonviolent vegan education. And what is wrong about that? Can you imagine how beneficial it would be to see large, well-funded, and well-known “Go Vegan” campaigns that taught people why and how to go vegan? That’s exactly what abolitionists envision someday as our interim goal: huge “Go Vegan” campaigns. "
Key word for me here is long-term. With a welfarist approach, what are the long-term effects on the human mind? For example, with Woolworths choosing to sell free range eggs totally - and sell no cage eggs....what exactly does this do? In my mind, it perpetuates an idea that chickens are ours to be used as commodities, but we should do it nicely. It raises awareness, yes - but about what? Certainly not about why chickens deserve basic rights, or how you can still have delicious cakes and such without eggs, or how much healthier other options are..but rather, how this improved exploitation is better and the 'ethical' choice. Innocent consumers simply believe what is marketed to them, so they really do think they are making the 'ethical' choice and it ends at that.
2) It is important to note that meat and dairy are at record levels of production. It is a fact that most activist work that has been carried out (or as some claim on the thread 'the real activists') or is being carried out, has a welfarist influence of some level. Does this not spark some thought that perhaps, the welfarist approach is indeed failing to a degree? If all we want is the freedom of non humans, we need to do what is in their best interests. So, why should we all not give this crazzzzy abolitionist hoo ha a try? Drop the elitist bullshit, get down and dirty with everyday people and provide real education to the masses. No in your face crap, but rather, smart marketing to make people WANT to know more about veganism, change their perceived stereotype ideas, focus on mainstreaming veganism into the norm. But then you say;
3) People do not give a fuck. Correct, many do not. But the next big question is, WHY do they not give a fuck? It is easy to state that this is what the mass thinks, but we leave it at that and do not ask why.
Let me tell you, as a young Aussie, i did not care much about dairy when I was veggo. And the vegans pissed me off with their elitist attitudes. Totally turned me off wanting to even consider veganism. If veganism was made appealing, if i was provided with proper non elitist information, i would have gladly listened about the ideas surrounding dairy.
People do not give a fuck because;
a) they think they are right
b) veganism is very weird and forgein (also perceived as unhealthy)
c) non humans are perceived to be ours to dominate
d) it is 'normal'
e) they do not know better - or care to know better
f) it is tradition
g) perceived as required part of diet
I seem to think people will continue to not care if we go into their faces with pro-vegan material. The answer is slow integration into our society through smart means. But then you say - why not do this AND also strive for welfare reforms?
I say - WHY? Why try to make exploitation better when we can all get together and focus on the long-term solution of slowly changing infrastructure? Yes it is slow. Yes we can still open rescue to educate the public. But I will NOT support campaigns which do not have a vegan focus, why? because it steers us away from the end goal. Then you say;
Yes but, let's be realistic, people will not change. Yes, people are slow and set in their ways to reject the notion of change, especially if someone comes along and says they have a 'better' way, which is why I emphasise mainstreaming and smart marketing. But then you say;
Well what about in the meantime...should we not better their conditions now and whilst we work on abolitionist movement? This is tricky. I am not experienced in this...but from my simple point of view...I imagine it needs to be considered what effect bettering the conditions has on the human mind, how does make us perceive non humans...and perhaps most of our energy should go into gaining public support through practical means. Not just support of vegans and veggos - but the omni's.
In the thread, Ailurophile said;
"There is only one way forward for animals and that is legislation to protect them and educating the public as to what their suffering is like. Without the public understanding or caring you can achieve very little.
Before you can hope for abolition you must get the public to care. That will only come with education and then you can get changes in legislation."
Yes you hit the nail on the head here, educating the public and without their understanding, there is nothing. So then, how can we achieve anything for animal rights if we promote free range eggs which continue to promote consumption? What does that teach people? How does that change our learnt behaviour?
What I am trying to say is, by promoting welfarism, it also promotes the idea that animals are ours to dominate so we find a better way to commodify them thus making us more civilised. The problem is our learnt behaviour that animals are required and it is normal. That is what needs to change.
So, what to do?
I have drawn the following conclusions which work for me:
1) I only support abolitionist organisations such as ANIMAL RIGHT ADVOCATES as they promote the right idea and they do so in a manner which is perceived very well by the general public. I am NOT against RSPCA or other similar organisations (except for Peta ;), I simply believe some of their methods can be more effective in abolishing slavery if altered. However, on the flipside, the achievements they have made in helping so many animals is wonderful. Things like...when they had their cupcake day to raise money for dogs - they could have easily made sure cupcakes were egg and dairy free so they can educate the public about how you can make delicious baked goods without animal products!
2) I will ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS say the BEST education starts at home, education which is creative, fun and intelligent resulting in the mainstreaming of veganism so it becomes the norm and is adopted by more people as it becomes less weird. People hate being weird.
3) I realise many people are confronted by veganism and reject it, even the mention of it ticks them off and they will not listen. So I say, lets avert our attention away from forcing unkeen listeners to listen, but rather, focus firstly on those who are in a position to learn more and also, focus hugely on mainstreaming veganism into society so that it is perceived as more 'normal' then people are more likely to listen to you.
4) I am not opposed to open rescue. I would gladly be involved. But, as long as it were done in a manner which did not tarnish the vegan image in the public eye, but rather, gained sympathy, understanding and awareness.
5) I am not against the welfarists, I am not against anyone. I just find the abolitionist approach to make more consistent sense and to be a better long-term approach.
I am keen as to other peoples thoughts on this. Obviously, we are all wanting to do what is best for the non humans, so we should be open to discuss it to no end. I am all ears.